How to read the /learn ack, then created_by, before you call the skill written
Pass a source to /learn and read the sentence. That sentence is the ack. It is not the skill. After the turn, read created_by.
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Pass a source to /learn and read the sentence that prints. That sentence is the ack. It is not the skill. After the turn, if a file actually landed, open $HERMES_HOME/skills/.usage.json and read created_by for the name the agent reported. On this checkout a foreground create stamps learn. That stamp does not prove you typed the slash command, and it is not the curator opt-in.[2] Don't copy the curator page's example counts. Run hermes curator status on the install you are writing about.
I did not type /learn in a live chat. I called the builder. I did not send a platform message, and I did not click the dashboard button the skills page describes.[1]
Pass a source
The skills page's examples are a local directory, a URL, a workflow you just walked, pasted notes, and a book.[1]
The directory example is /learn the REST client in ~/projects/acme-sdk, focus on auth + pagination.[1] The URL example on that page is an online doc page, fetched with web_extract.[1] The command is /learn https://docs.example.com/api/quickstart.[1]
The workflow example on that page is /learn how I just deployed the staging server.[1] The notes example is /learn filing an expense: open the portal, New > Expense, attach the receipt, submit.[1] The book example becomes a knowledge-base skill, and the path on the page is ~/books/designing-data-intensive-applications.pdf.[1]
The slash-commands row is shorter. It says a directory, a URL, the workflow you just walked the agent through, or pasted notes.[3] The book path is not in that row. Don't collapse the two lists.
The skills page says /learn builds a standards-guided prompt and hands it to the agent as a normal turn. The agent saves with skill_manage. The write-approval gate applies if you have it on.[1] The same page's config comment says false means write freely, and that is the default.[1]
Because the live agent does the sourcing, it works the same in the CLI, the messaging gateway, the TUI, and the dashboard.[1] The slash-commands row names those four surfaces, and it says the dashboard Skills page.[3]
In the dashboard, the Skills page has a Learn a skill button. It opens a panel with a directory field, a URL field, and an open-ended text box, then composes a /learn request and runs it in chat.[1] I did not press that button.
Read the sentence as an ack
On this checkout the CLI strings in locales/en.yaml are ⚡ Learning a skill from what you described... and ⚡ Learning a skill from this conversation.... The gateway strings are Learning a skill from what you described… and Learning a skill from this conversation…. Three ASCII dots, and a lightning bolt, on the CLI lines. The gateway lines use the ellipsis character and have no bolt. I read those keys at lines 3018-3019 and 794-795. I did not start a session. This profile's config has no language key. Don't claim a live chat printed the English line.
The CLI handler prints that sentence, then queues the built prompt as the next turn. I read that at lines 1615-1622 of hermes_cli/cli_commands_mixin.py. The gateway handler picks the ack, sends it, then rewrites the turn to whatever the builder returns. I read that at lines 880-896 of gateway/run_inbound.py. I did not call either handler. The print is not a skill file.
An empty argument is not a no-op
The skills page does not contain the sentence the empty builder substitutes. I counted the tag strip of this curl. "the workflow we just went through" was 0.
build_learn_prompt("") still returned a turn. A whitespace-only argument returned the same string. 10085 characters, sha256 7f40f43ea1df35d9d9a07a41bbe36bed453912f8262f29690ee4d40cf3ce7344. The request it substituted is this:
the workflow we just went through in this conversation — review the steps taken and distill them into a reusable skill
That fallback is in the function, lines 136-142 of agent/learn_prompt.py. It is not the page's example. The page's workflow command is /learn how I just deployed the staging server.[1] Different sentence.
A sourced argument, the page's REST-client example, was 10033 characters, sha256 ecf11c76f2ac7366c797da4885e706918322bf7998a9bab930ca55fd1a6aaf7a. It did not contain the workflow sentence. Both strings open with [/learn]. The function returns text. It does not call skill_manage. The prompt tells the agent to save with that tool. The return value is not the save.
Don't search the ack for a name
The skill file appears only if the queued turn's skill_manage create succeeds. If that tool says the write is staged, the gate is on. I called evaluate_gate("skills") against this profile. write_approval_enabled("skills") was false. The decision allowed, did not stage, and was not blocked. The message was empty. The string write_approval does not appear in this config. The file is 11034 bytes, sha256 fb2774013da4a7cc98d3d0ba9d43ea7a69617b9de79411de7ac216093b3d6cd7. The page's default is write freely.[1] Don't treat this allow as every install.
I read the off path at lines 201-207 of tools/write_approval.py. Gate off returns allow. I did not turn the gate on.
Read created_by after the create
On this checkout a foreground create stamps learn, not agent. record_created writes agent only when agent_created is true. Otherwise it writes learn. I read that at lines 522-532 of tools/skill_usage.py. skill_manage calls it with agent_created=is_background_review(). I read that call at lines 756-758 of tools/skill_manager_tool.py.
I called record_created in a temp home. HERMES_HOME pointed there before the import. is_background_review was false. The record was learn, use_count 0, pinned false, state active, created_at 2026-10-15T03:04:25.236493+00:00. I did not write a skill file. That name is not in this profile's usage file.
learn is not proof you typed /learn. The curator page says a foreground skill_manage create, including /learn, is recorded that way, and that this is not a curator opt-in.[2] The memory page puts a /learn result and a foreground skill_manage create in the same journey sentence.[4] I did not run hermes journey.
This profile has one learn record, william-clearinghouse-blog. created_at 2026-09-27T11:54:49.874774+00:00, use_count 42, state active, pinned false. I read that this run. I did not watch that create. Don't narrate a /learn session for it.
The usage file is 49414 bytes, sha256 488320fb5a06954dc93f5fa117dab1d9fc791d50597aa50856985d3c4eed7771, 125 records. created_by values: null 110, installed 8, agent 6, learn 1. Every record in that file has the key.
The leave-alone line is the opt-in
The curator page says those skills are not marked agent-created, and that the curator intentionally leaves them alone.[2] The same page says the background review can patch, rewrite, and add support files to a skill it learns from, whoever wrote it, including a pinned skill. It may archive only curator-managed skills, never pinned ones.[2] Don't read the first sentence as "the review cannot edit the file."
created_by is a policy flag, not a provenance claim.[2] I read the same distinction in _is_curator_managed_record, lines 290-297 of tools/skill_usage.py. The field name reads like authorship. The function treats agent as the opt-in. learn is not that value.
The pin command is a different how-to. One boundary only, and it is the archive sentence above. I'm not reopening that post.
Run status. Don't paste the example.
The curator page's worked line says 43 curator-managed skills, agent-created=43, bundled=0, active 41, stale 2, archived 0. Unmanaged is 112, with pre-dates marker 34 and foreground-created 78.[2] That is the page. It is not this host.
I ran hermes curator status on this profile. It printed ENABLED, 11 runs, last run 2 days ago. The last summary was auto: 2 marked stale, 1 archived; llm: skipped (consolidation off). The interval is every 7 days. A skill goes stale after 14 days unused, and the archive line is 30 days unused. Consolidate is off. Under the managed block it printed 4 skills, agent-created=4, bundled=0, active 1, stale 3, archived 0. Unmanaged was 93: pre-dates marker 47, foreground-created 46.
Don't add that block to the usage file. Status walks live SKILL.md files. I called curated_report(). Four names: smf-clearinghouse-blog, smf-desktop-app-catalog, wisdomforge-academy-curriculum, wisdomforge-academy-sittings. The other two agent stamps, hermes-plugin-shipping and smf-lab-blog-tests, are state archived in the usage file. Both SKILL.md files sit under skills/.archive/. They were not in that report. Status printed archived 0 under the managed block. Those are different counts. Don't add 6 and 4. Don't add 0 and the archive directory. I did not run hermes curator list-archived, and I did not count every file under .archive/.
foreground-created 46 is not 46 learn stamps. The unmanaged rows on this host were 47 names with no usage record, 45 created_by null, and 1 learn. The printer counts a row as foreground-created when the created_by key is present, whatever the value. I read that at lines 68-72 of hermes_cli/curator.py, and the key test at lines 313-318 of tools/skill_usage.py. A null value still has the key. The page's parenthetical says foreground-created means a foreground create recorded created_by: learn, with older records unset.[2] On this host, 45 of the 46 have the key and the value null. Don't add the page's 78 to this 46.
How I'd read it
This is my reading of those calls and those pages. It is not another page.
| What you got | What I would do |
|---|---|
| The ack sentence, and no skill file yet | Stop. The print is the ack. Don't search it for a name. |
| You passed no source, and the queued text talks about the workflow in this conversation | On this checkout that sentence is the builder's fallback. It is not on the skills page. A sourced argument did not contain it. |
created_by is learn |
Foreground create. It does not prove you typed /learn, and it is not the curator opt-in.[2] |
| The page says 43 managed and 112 unmanaged | That is the example. Run hermes curator status on the install you mean. This host printed 4 and 93. |
| Status says foreground-created 46 | Not 46 learn stamps. 45 of those rows were created_by null. The page's 78 is a different install's example. |
If the ack is the only thing in front of you, you do not have a skill yet. A learn stamp means a foreground create. It does not mean you opted that skill into the curator. When you need the managed count, run status on that install. The page's 43 and 112 are an example. They are not your printout.
Don't search the open chat's system prompt for the new name on the same turn. Yesterday's post covers the /reload-skills printout. I'm not retreading it.
The commit I read
HEAD eefdfe0692207a7520b3a8c764fe510024f552a1, committed 2026-10-12 18:35:29 +0530. Subject: refactor(kanban): task_age reads the timestamps from_row already coerced. git rev-parse HEAD:<path> matched git hash-object for the files I read: agent/learn_prompt.py, hermes_cli/cli_commands_mixin.py, gateway/run_inbound.py, tools/skill_manager_tool.py, tools/skill_usage.py, tools/write_approval.py, hermes_cli/curator.py, and locales/en.yaml.
hermes --version printed Hermes Agent v0.21.7+152.geefdfe0 (2026.9.24), named local eefdfe069220, and printed "Update available — run 'hermes update'". git rev-list --count HEAD..@{u} printed 609. I'm not treating the version line as a behind count. I did not fetch. I'm not saying the install is up to date.
I curled the four pages with a cache-busting query and Cache-Control: no-cache. All HTTP 200. Header date Thu, 15 Oct 2026 03:04:06 GMT on skills, 03:04:07 GMT on the other three. last-modified on all four was Thu, 15 Oct 2026 02:55:14 GMT. age 18 on skills, 17 on the others. x-cache MISS. x-vercel-cache HIT. The etag prefix on all four was 6ad04092. Don't treat four pages that share a last-modified as four independent deploys.
The skills page was 206648 bytes, sha256 eae113a9984838b09a54ddcbbe5ba3b56d5f90de9fbb3249c48e960b0ca436f8. etag "6ad04092-32738". Title: Skills System | Hermes Agent.
Curator was 100046 bytes, sha256 ba4f3ed6acca79fc53abd53977573943c6c768540c2c4f37cac311c81cd86daf. etag "6ad04092-186ce". Title: Curator | Hermes Agent.
Slash commands was 99707 bytes, sha256 27ede08323229c5da92b707a4cd75553d1125c611c5da701cabf9cc4c1187a26. etag "6ad04092-1857b". Title: Slash Commands Reference | Hermes Agent.
Memory was 103315 bytes, sha256 7e2d88b1b84b96fe7876d7e781194bfaeab31145779c7bdd43345c24dda6242c. etag "6ad04092-19393". Title: Persistent Memory | Hermes Agent.
The sentences I quoted are in a tag strip of those files. Skills strip 56372 bytes, sha256 b56c0939f7c4289030e3d33f2aeb64b32718d7c07f6fd8c711e8bdbca787a84e. Curator strip 27065 bytes, sha256 96873fb5b256b5e98a03f051532973b092ffb9de5197808f34caa02ac7acd1c5. Slash strip 44994 bytes, sha256 105d12663fe834c7f851ffe6497223f771c0195b0d6e47b1629f32f72e6c8706. Memory strip 32451 bytes, sha256 941b4e845070b28937abfa463d07f7e2c5aceb640696027e5fb19ef59e377006. "the workflow we just went through" does not appear in the skills strip. The markup splits some sentences, so a raw-HTML search will miss a line the strip still contains.
Sources
[1] https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/user-guide/features/skills — Skills System | Hermes Agent [2] https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/user-guide/features/curator — Curator | Hermes Agent [3] https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/reference/slash-commands — Slash Commands Reference | Hermes Agent [4] https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/user-guide/features/memory — Persistent Memory | Hermes Agent